SHIFT6mq Frage / Question Android alternatives possible for Shift 6mq? (Ubuntu Touch, SailfishOS, Replicant, PureOS, etc)

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Apr 26, 2019
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Hello,

one of the reasons why I got excited about the Shift 6mq was the hopes for support of custom OS besides Android.
This is important to me since Google's grasp on Android is pretty strong even with it being open source at its core.
An example for this is that many default settings still send data to Google in LineageOS, and the general direction that Android has been taking is removing users' ability to use their phone without Google services. (eg. many moves to force users to use Google's push services by making alternatives harder)

Since Shift prides itself in sustainability, being independent from Google would be a major argument for the sustainability of these phones. Turning this argument around, this phone would not be very sustainable if they can only be made to work with Google's Android.

How would you assess the options of making these alternative operating systems availible for the Shift 6mq (and other Shiftphones in the future)?

Thanks in advance!

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Hallo,

einer der großen Gründe, wegen derer ich sehr auf das Shift 6mq gespannt bin, ist die Aussicht auf alternative Betriebssysteme neben Android.
Für mich ist das wichtig, weil Google (trotz AOSP) einen großen Einfluss auf Android hat.
Ein Beispiel für diesen Einfluss wäre, dass selbst in LineageOS noch viele Standarteinstellungen zu Datenverkehr an Google führen, sowie die generelle Bewegung von Android weg von Nutzerkontrolle und hin zu Google's Produktsystem. (z.B. viele Änderungen, die es schwieriger machen, Apps ohne Google's push services zu nutzen)

Da Shift sich sehr mit Nachhaltigkeit rühmt, wäre es für mich logisch, die Shiftphones auch unabhängig von Google zu machen. Im Rückschluss bedeutet diese Abhängigkeit nämlich, dass die Shiftphones gar nicht so nachhaltig sind, wenn sich damit abseits von Google nichts anfangen lässt.

Was ist eure Einstellung und Bewertung zu der Möglichkeit, alternative Betriebssysteme für das Shift 6mq (und andere Shiftphones in der Zukunft) zu unterstützen und verfügbar zu machen?

Danke im Voraus!
 

achlys

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Jun 26, 2020
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Hi!
Auch ich wäre an einem Google-freiem Betriebssystem interessiert.
Neben den oben im Titel aufgeführten Systemen möchte ich noch /e/ ins Spiel bringen, das eine auf nextcloud basierende Infrastruktur anstelle der von Google mitbringt.
Jedes System hat seine eigenen Vor- und Nachteile.
Unterm Strich würde ich es begrüßen, wenn sich Shift auf die Portierung eines der Systeme konzentrieren würde.
 
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blackcat

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Ich fürchte, daß das von Shift nicht geliefert wird. Auch bei Lineage heißt es, daß das die Community machen muß.

Vielleicht findet sich hier eine Gruppe von Enthusiasten zusammen, die das stemmt.
 
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Ho_anton

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Aug 2, 2015
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Bin auch sehr gespannt auf die Google-freien Varianten und inwieweit Shift diese aktiv unterstützt und sie nicht nur der Communtiy überlasst.
Wenn ich es richtig sehe ist /e/ zwar erst seit kurzem so richtig eine Alternative geworden, aber immer noch bei Android nougat? Da wird die Kooperation mit Fairphone spannend zu beobachten sein.
Eine andere Sache müssen wir in den nächsten Monaten allerdings auch beachten: Google könnte SafetyNet an die Hardware koppeln, damit würde Magisk nicht mehr wirken: https://winfuture.de/news,116779.html
 

jommey

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Jul 6, 2020
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Wenn ich es richtig sehe ist /e/ zwar erst seit kurzem so richtig eine Alternative geworden, aber immer noch bei Android nougat? Da wird die Kooperation mit Fairphone spannend zu beobachten sein.
Nur bei manchen devices, die meisten sind auf Pie und 10 ist in arbeit.. aber ja, wird spannend wann es erste sinnvolle builds gibt :)
 

Ho_anton

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Aug 2, 2015
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Nur bei manchen devices, die meisten sind auf Pie und 10 ist in arbeit.. aber ja, wird spannend wann es erste sinnvolle builds gibt :)
Nachdem eine Kooperation mit MarVin (MicroG) geschlossen wurde, rechne ich /e/ große Chancen zu, tatsächlich bald relevant zu werden :)
 
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jommey

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Nachdem eine Kooperation mit MarVin (MicroG) geschlossen wurde, rechne ich /e/ große Chancen zu, tatsächlich bald relevant zu werden :)
Benutz es seit knapp 2 Jahren aufm FP2, heißt für mich ist das schon lange relevant ;-)
Die Tatsache, dass das hier so oft Gesprächthema ist, hat mich aber trotzdem ziemlich überrascht!

Nachdem /e/ schon seit Monaten eigene microG fixes bereit stellt sehe ich tatsächlich nicht soo den großen Unterschied zu davor außer, dass sie nochmal jemanden mit mehr Erfahrung an bord haben und ihre fixes leichter in das offizielle Projekt übertragen bekommen.

Fürs Shift 6mq sollen ja device tree und co veröffentlicht werden.. werde mir das auf jeden Fall mal anschauen, was es gibt, sobald ich das 6mq in der Hand halte und so bald möglich /e/ builds testen :)
Es heißt ja auch immer mal, dass mit Open Source communities zusammen gearbeitet würde, um das porten zu erleichtern.. Anfang des Jahres hieß es auch mal, dass es einen quasi LOS build fürs 6mq geben soll.. weiß nicht, was da alles im background mit den "Open Source" Entwicklern (wie sie immer so schön genannt werden :)) läuft..

Sonst hat man ja bald mal frei und dann hoffentlich ein Phone zum drauf testen und entwickeln ;-)
 

Gerhard

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Aug 5, 2020
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Hallo,
ich vermute das Google sehr darauf achten wird, dass speziell so kleine Firmen keine Alternative anbieten. Eine von Shiftphones offiziell freigegebene Alternative würde bedeuten, das es kein Android mehr gibt. Auch wenn das Herz der "Shift-lerInnen" für Alternativen schlägt, ist das vermutlich ökonomisch nicht darstellbar. Deshalb denke ich, die Community muss da das Rad weiter drehen und sich gelegentlich tief in die Augen schauen ;)

Viele Grüße,
Gerhard
 
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Aska

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Aug 7, 2020
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Neben den oben im Titel aufgeführten Systemen möchte ich noch /e/ ins Spiel bringen, das eine auf nextcloud basierende Infrastruktur anstelle der von Google mitbringt.
Danke für den Tipp. e/ kannte ich bis jetzt noch nicht. Ich werde es mit ansehen und mal auf meinem alten Fairphone 2 testen.
 

Hakimouse

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Sep 2, 2020
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Hello people!
I'm really interested about the subject. I want to buy a new phone but google free so with another OS.
is it possible with shiftphone or fairphone ?
thanks for your help (don't understand german)
Hak
 

Aska

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Aug 7, 2020
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Hello people!
I'm really interested about the subject. I want to buy a new phone but google free so with another OS.
is it possible with shiftphone or fairphone ?
thanks for your help (don't understand german)
Hak
Hi Hak,
for the SHIFT6mq there will be the SHIFTOS without GAPPS. All other OS variants have to be developed by the community after the certification is completed.
For the Fairphone 2 there are 6 Google free alternatives at the moment and for the Fairphone 3 there are at least 2 more OS without Google. Just have a look at the Fairphone Forum.
I am currently using a Fairphone 2 running /e/ OS and I am eager to get my hands on the SHIFT6mq.

The question is how badly you need a new smartphone and how much time you want to spend for the configuration of your new smartphone.
 

Hakimouse

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Sep 2, 2020
11
Hi Hak,
for the SHIFT6mq there will be the SHIFTOS without GAPPS. All other OS variants have to be developed by the community after the certification is completed.
For the Fairphone 2 there are 6 Google free alternatives at the moment and for the Fairphone 3 there are at least 2 more OS without Google. Just have a look at the Fairphone Forum.
I am currently using a Fairphone 2 running /e/ OS and I am eager to get my hands on the SHIFT6mq.

The question is how badly you need a new smartphone and how much time you want to spend for the configuration of your new smartphone.
Hey Aska, thank you very much for your answer !
It looks like the shiftphone 6m is technically better then fairphone so I think I will go for this one. I'm not an expert but I really want to be google free. So there is no alternative for the moment with the 6m ?
thanks
 

sozialpr

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Aug 12, 2020
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Hey Aska, thank you very much for your answer !
It looks like the shiftphone 6m is technically better then fairphone so I think I will go for this one. I'm not an expert but I really want to be google free. So there is no alternative for the moment with the 6m ?
thanks
Just FYI: There is also an Fairphone 3 variante with /e/ OS. The 6m is technically mor powerful than the FP3 - and has a better camera I think - but the Mediatek processor puts a big questions mark behind long term support. Not a knock agains the 6m, just a factor to include in your decision.
 

Hakimouse

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Sep 2, 2020
11
Just FYI: There is also an Fairphone 3 variante with /e/ OS. The 6m is technically mor powerful than the FP3 - and has a better camera I think - but the Mediatek processor puts a big questions mark behind long term support. Not a knock agains the 6m, just a factor to include in your decision.
thanks for the answer but i don't get this : but the Mediatek processor puts a big questions mark behind long term support
easier words ?
so no alternative to google on 6m ?
 

sozialpr

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Aug 12, 2020
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thanks for the answer but i don't get this : but the Mediatek processor puts a big questions mark behind long term support
easier words ?
so no alternative to google on 6m ?
Sorry for the confusion, let me try again:
There are certainly google free alternatives for the 6m. What I was trying to say is, that Mediatek does not have a good track record regarding longterm driver support for their chipsets. Which could mean that even google alternatives can only be update for one or two years befor they could have to drop support for the processor in the 6m.

Maybe the developper community of google free alternatives can support the chipset longer - which would be fantastic - but it is not garanteed that this will be possible. Is this clearer / more helpfull?
 

Hakimouse

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Sep 2, 2020
11
Sorry for the confusion, let me try again:
There are certainly google free alternatives for the 6m. What I was trying to say is, that Mediatek does not have a good track record regarding longterm driver support for their chipsets. Which could mean that even google alternatives can only be update for one or two years befor they could have to drop support for the processor in the 6m.

Maybe the developper community of google free alternatives can support the chipset longer - which would be fantastic - but it is not garanteed that this will be possible. Is this clearer / more helpfull?
Thanks for your effort :)
so does that mean that people will not try making alternative os for shiftphones because it is too much work for little time use and support ?
do you know any os alternative for now for 6m ?
thanks a lot
 

sozialpr

Beta Tester
Aug 12, 2020
18
Thanks for your effort :)
so does that mean that people will not try making alternative os for shiftphones because it is too much work for little time use and support ?
do you know any os alternative for now for 6m ?
thanks a lot
The Shift OS L version - l for light without google services - is in beta right now. In my understanding you can apply in your account preferences: https://forum.shiftphones.com/account/preferences

Here is the thread - germany only I am afraid - for Shift OS L for the 6m: https://forum.shiftphones.com/threads/shiftos-ohne-google.1254/page-3
 

sozialpr

Beta Tester
Aug 12, 2020
18
Thanks for your effort :)
so does that mean that people will not try making alternative os for shiftphones because it is too much work for little time use and support ?
do you know any os alternative for now for 6m ?
thanks a lot
To add important details I left out of my last post - thanks @deWolf for reminding me :) - regarding the thread about Shift OS L Version:

The post you are looking for @Hakimouse ist #83 - https://forum.shiftphones.com/threads/shiftos-ohne-google.1254/post-15006. It is a reply to a forum member who asked, if he could use the Shift OS l beta on his 6m. The responding post from @amartinz (Shift Staff) tells him, to register his profile as a beta tester, wait for the system to change his account status and allows him to get access to the beta category. He than sholud have the option of downloading and installing the Google free Shift OS L beta on his 6m. I would recommend following these instructions yourself so that you can install Shift OS L beta on your 6m.

Please let me know if I can help you any further.
 

blackcat

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Nov 22, 2018
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There is also Lineage for the 6m available:


LineageOS is a free, community built, aftermarket firmware distribution of Android 8.1 (Oreo), which is designed to increase performance and reliability over stock Android for your device.

LineageOS is based on the Android Open Source Project with extra contributions from many people within the Android community. It can be used without any need to have any Google application installed. Linked below is a package that has come from another Android project that restore the Google parts. LineageOS does still include various hardware-specific code, which is also slowly being open-sourced anyway.

All the source code for LineageOS is available in the LineageOS Github repo. And if you would like to contribute to LineageOS, please visit out Gerrit Code Review. You can also view the Changelog for a full list of changes & features.

Bugs/Issues :
  • No IMS/VoLTE
  • ...more?
Instructions :
  • Download the latest build (fastboot *.img files or .zip package)
  • If this is you first Lineage flash, download vendor.img from the first build and flash it
  • .zip => Reboot to recovery, use adb sideload <path_to_zip>
  • .img => Reboot to bootloader, use fastboot flash <partition> <partition>.img
  • Reboot
Downloads :
Releases :
2019/03/22 - SHIFT6m
2019/04/10 - SHIFT6m, SHIFT5me
2019/06/15 - SHIFT6m, SHIFT5me

Changelog :
2019/03/22
  • Initial release
2019/04/10
  • Double Tap To Wake (DT2W)
  • Radio (RIL) fixes
2019/06/15
  • Fix incoming calls

Source Code :
LineageOS
SHIFT6m device tree
SHIFT6m kernel tree

Reporting Bugs
  • DO NOT Report bugs if you're running a custom kernel or you installed Xposed
  • Grab a logcat right after the problem has occurred. (Please include at least a few pages of the log, not just the last few lines, unless you know what you're doing.)
  • If it is a random reboot, grab /proc/last_kmsg or /sys/fs/pstore/console-ramoops. (Do not bother getting a logcat unless you can get it just before the reboot. A logcat after a reboot is useless)
  • If the problem disappears after running "setenforce 0" from a root shell, grab /data/misc/audit/audit.log
Remember to provide as much info as possible. The more info you provide, the more likely that the bug will be solved. Please also do not report known issues. Any bug not reported in the bug report format below may be ignored.

Code:
What is your--
LineageOS version:
LineageOS Download url:
Gapps version:

Did you--
wipe:
restore with titanium backup:
reboot after having the issue:

Are you using--
a task killer:
a non-stock kernel:
other modifications:

Provide any additional information (observations/frequency of problem/last version it worked on/etc) as needed.
However, there is no update since June 2019.
 
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JesusGod-Pope666

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Oct 22, 2020
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Aktualisierungen werden überschätzt - normalerweise machen sie einfach mehr Probleme. ;)

Übrigens klingt es interessant mit der eigenen Light-Version der Shift-Software.


Updates are overestimated - usually they just make more issues.

By the way it sounds interesting with there own Light version of Shift software.